Nicely put. Kindness matters. I didn't know this person. I don't live in the UK. I had to Google her name. No one deserves to be murdered. But people amplifying joy over someone's death is never the right choice. They can keep those sorts of opinions to themselves. Sadly, people on social media are going for likes, even waiting for outrage comments, because of their comments. Ultimately, various people in the limelight, show business, politics, or lobbyists will garner hateful comments for comments or actions they make at one time or another. But they still have families, people who watched them grow, people who loved them. Condolences to her family and friends. I hope they do find and convict whoever did this murder. RIP, Ann Widdecombe.
l feel sad for Ann being killed by someome in her own home .l think it's only people who have compassion feel for others.I hope Ann has gone to a better place in Spirit.Thanks Julie for your good and kind words for Ann. 🕊️xxx.
Yes. Whilst I agree with what you say about compassion, I think it’s the moral duty of those who do have it to try and cultivate it in others and the world in general.
Julie, thank you for this read. So horrible when people get their jollies from someone else’s sadness. This world needs more love, compassion and understanding. This was just god awful 😢
Thank you Julie.We can hate or oppose her policies and politics but of course, nobody deserves such a death.I'm sure she was a decent person in many ways too.
My "cacophonies of cynicism" are, and will forever remain, a legitimate perspective in ANY intelligent and civil discourse had upon world views, religion, politics, culture, philosophy etc., precisely b/c my perspective represents an aspect from a unique frame of reference.
Meantime, any Mother of Hope might well remain reminded that that which informs her hopeful disposition originates, itself, in fear. The symbiosis is definite. One cannot hope for anything other than that which one is first in fear of losing. Paradoxical really.
Thus, hope gives definition to fear, and vice versa. The one cannot exist w/o the other.
And here's the ontological kick in the pants, the more you hope, the more energy you give to the fear.
I appreciate this comment Charlie. The idea of the hope and fear failing to exist without each other, like a yin yang thing. I get that - day defined by night, heaven by hell etc That it’s a see saw forever seeking balance.
However, the point of this post really, was not to pit hope and fear against each other in a ‘good wins’ way, but rather to present the idea that when hatred is employed as a weapon, casualties are not limited to a single perceived enemy, be that a person or an ideology. Many others are caught in the crossfire, including ourselves.
But isn’t love v. hatred in the same symbiotic relation as heaven v. hell, day v. night, good v. evil? Again, it seems to me that the one cannot exist w/o the other.
That is, if the one was ever victorious over the other, the one would thereupon lose its own identity, its relevance, its raison d’etre in that very same instant.
The only “balance” I can imagine would be a state of complete indifference, that is, the actual state of Nature.
Is this really a case for killing kindness though?
The fact that it will only be counteracted anyway?
I agree for you about nature btw. That’s one of the reasons I love it. It does not care. People want it to, hence notions of god have historically been imposed upon it, but it does not. It simply is.
Wonder if that state of nature was the so-called "Garden of Eden"? Did Adam and Eve exist in blissful indifference?
The one forbidden fruit, you recall, was from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and apparently, upon consumption, our eyes were opened, and we were driven from "paradise" under a "curse", forbidden to ever return.
Personally, I would trade all the love in the world for the absence of all the hate.
I should also note, parenthetically, that I'm not convinced of the proposition presented here of the presence of a larger "Self" during the dissolution of a temporal "self". But then, I'm not officially a Hindu either.
I suppose the evidence here is that there is a self (a "me") that eventually awakens from the dreamless state of a complete absence of me. Of course. As long as I emerge every morning into the waking state in which I re-discover my self, cut a loud fart, wake the cat, scare the sparrows, and promptly roll over in the fervent hope of recovering that state.
In that case you’d be giving up the core of your identity. Essentially (in every sense of the term) there’d be no more Ms. Julie Dee.
Meanwhile, some consider the loss of ego a fate worse than physical death, whilst others view the loss of ego the ultimate achievement; a significant difference between Occidental and Oriental philosophies.
It will be noted that in the state of dreamless sleep, concomitant to the loss of sense of an external world, there is loss of any sense of self.
In the Upanishads, this state (sushupti) is considered the closest to Nirvana that can be achieved in life (dreamless sleep also being considered the “cousin of death” in Greek myth).
Be assured the last thing I’d ever do is attempt to persuade anyone of anything since I’m not convinced of anything myself. I’m a true philosopher in that I have no answers to anything, but am simply addicted to the questions. So “damned” I suppose, in a sense.
But I learn much from research of >< exotic theories about how other cult(ures) view human existence.
Since I apparently can’t post a link here, you night search “sushupti” and “the broken tusk” for information pertinent to our discussion.
I agree with your sentiments, Julie. I think the Widdecombe spewers of hater do lack a spiritual, humanist or straight ethical compass. As you point out, it's unhealthy societally and individually to condemn someone who's been murdered - someone who wasn't a genocidist like Netanyahu, just someone who was right wing. I got to strongly dislike Starmer, the politician but if he were murdered in his home, I would feel some compassion and be able to separate the political and the human side ( what a horrible thing to happen, atragedy for his family and so on)
Nicely put. Kindness matters. I didn't know this person. I don't live in the UK. I had to Google her name. No one deserves to be murdered. But people amplifying joy over someone's death is never the right choice. They can keep those sorts of opinions to themselves. Sadly, people on social media are going for likes, even waiting for outrage comments, because of their comments. Ultimately, various people in the limelight, show business, politics, or lobbyists will garner hateful comments for comments or actions they make at one time or another. But they still have families, people who watched them grow, people who loved them. Condolences to her family and friends. I hope they do find and convict whoever did this murder. RIP, Ann Widdecombe.
Algorithms reward controversy. The more controversial you are, the greater the monetary value, sadly. That’s what many people have become.
l feel sad for Ann being killed by someome in her own home .l think it's only people who have compassion feel for others.I hope Ann has gone to a better place in Spirit.Thanks Julie for your good and kind words for Ann. 🕊️xxx.
Yes. Whilst I agree with what you say about compassion, I think it’s the moral duty of those who do have it to try and cultivate it in others and the world in general.
I don't think we have the power to change people Julie 😊 xxx.
Julie, thank you for this read. So horrible when people get their jollies from someone else’s sadness. This world needs more love, compassion and understanding. This was just god awful 😢
To celebrate someone’s death is demonic. I saw this same reaction following Charlie Kirk’s murder. Truly sad!
Yes I agree. I can just about understand people reacting that way if it’s a child abuser/ killer or something but for anyone else, no.
Some human demons do deserve the disdain, but not for the fanfare.
Did not agree with all her statements but this..
“I will always fight for the right of the unborn”
Who wouldn’t
Rip Anne
Thank you Julie.We can hate or oppose her policies and politics but of course, nobody deserves such a death.I'm sure she was a decent person in many ways too.
My "cacophonies of cynicism" are, and will forever remain, a legitimate perspective in ANY intelligent and civil discourse had upon world views, religion, politics, culture, philosophy etc., precisely b/c my perspective represents an aspect from a unique frame of reference.
Meantime, any Mother of Hope might well remain reminded that that which informs her hopeful disposition originates, itself, in fear. The symbiosis is definite. One cannot hope for anything other than that which one is first in fear of losing. Paradoxical really.
Thus, hope gives definition to fear, and vice versa. The one cannot exist w/o the other.
And here's the ontological kick in the pants, the more you hope, the more energy you give to the fear.
Trick bag. Or rather, Chinese finger cuffs.
I appreciate this comment Charlie. The idea of the hope and fear failing to exist without each other, like a yin yang thing. I get that - day defined by night, heaven by hell etc That it’s a see saw forever seeking balance.
However, the point of this post really, was not to pit hope and fear against each other in a ‘good wins’ way, but rather to present the idea that when hatred is employed as a weapon, casualties are not limited to a single perceived enemy, be that a person or an ideology. Many others are caught in the crossfire, including ourselves.
But isn’t love v. hatred in the same symbiotic relation as heaven v. hell, day v. night, good v. evil? Again, it seems to me that the one cannot exist w/o the other.
That is, if the one was ever victorious over the other, the one would thereupon lose its own identity, its relevance, its raison d’etre in that very same instant.
The only “balance” I can imagine would be a state of complete indifference, that is, the actual state of Nature.
Spit ballin’ here.
Is this really a case for killing kindness though?
The fact that it will only be counteracted anyway?
I agree for you about nature btw. That’s one of the reasons I love it. It does not care. People want it to, hence notions of god have historically been imposed upon it, but it does not. It simply is.
Wonder if that state of nature was the so-called "Garden of Eden"? Did Adam and Eve exist in blissful indifference?
The one forbidden fruit, you recall, was from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and apparently, upon consumption, our eyes were opened, and we were driven from "paradise" under a "curse", forbidden to ever return.
Personally, I would trade all the love in the world for the absence of all the hate.
Indeed. I’d trade my thinking brain for living by pure animal instinct.
I should also note, parenthetically, that I'm not convinced of the proposition presented here of the presence of a larger "Self" during the dissolution of a temporal "self". But then, I'm not officially a Hindu either.
I suppose the evidence here is that there is a self (a "me") that eventually awakens from the dreamless state of a complete absence of me. Of course. As long as I emerge every morning into the waking state in which I re-discover my self, cut a loud fart, wake the cat, scare the sparrows, and promptly roll over in the fervent hope of recovering that state.
In that case you’d be giving up the core of your identity. Essentially (in every sense of the term) there’d be no more Ms. Julie Dee.
Meanwhile, some consider the loss of ego a fate worse than physical death, whilst others view the loss of ego the ultimate achievement; a significant difference between Occidental and Oriental philosophies.
It will be noted that in the state of dreamless sleep, concomitant to the loss of sense of an external world, there is loss of any sense of self.
In the Upanishads, this state (sushupti) is considered the closest to Nirvana that can be achieved in life (dreamless sleep also being considered the “cousin of death” in Greek myth).
Be assured the last thing I’d ever do is attempt to persuade anyone of anything since I’m not convinced of anything myself. I’m a true philosopher in that I have no answers to anything, but am simply addicted to the questions. So “damned” I suppose, in a sense.
But I learn much from research of >< exotic theories about how other cult(ures) view human existence.
Since I apparently can’t post a link here, you night search “sushupti” and “the broken tusk” for information pertinent to our discussion.
I agree with your sentiments, Julie. I think the Widdecombe spewers of hater do lack a spiritual, humanist or straight ethical compass. As you point out, it's unhealthy societally and individually to condemn someone who's been murdered - someone who wasn't a genocidist like Netanyahu, just someone who was right wing. I got to strongly dislike Starmer, the politician but if he were murdered in his home, I would feel some compassion and be able to separate the political and the human side ( what a horrible thing to happen, atragedy for his family and so on)